I received an email from someone who validates elements of my Interviewee's experience:
Let me say something else though. I remember seeing another figure as well, in addition to and similar to the demiurge as described by your friend. This one was maybe taller and younger looking. I 'think' he was bald and with a big bushy black beard (not white). He was in a different dream, but he still had the bronze/golden-like skin and flame eyes. That one was not in the same place - I thought I remembered more of like a brighter Greek-Roman kind of area with whitish pillars and steps and him walking along (rather than a dim spaceship). Forgive my spotty recollection. These dreams happened 30 years ago. I wonder if he was a son/direct progeny of the demiurge, or maybe a demiurge of a different world altogether. I really have no idea, but there was a resemblance and he was definitely humanoid in body shape too. He was actually the one that I saw very close up at the end of one of my dreams - I was flying around some huge object and then I flew over some hair and then all the sudden realized it was a black beard and that guy's face took over my sight and he was just glaring at me and I woke up. Those eyes... Flaming eyes. It's not a sight you can easily forget even if you saw it in a dream 30 years ago."
"Orb of light dream memories. I remember floating around in some rooms. There were other light orbs with various colored auras. Maybe there were large tall crystal shards or something like that in a room and some orbs were next to them communicating with them or somehow accessing or exchanging information from/with them. Me being a curious being, I was also viewing information about everything around me. From the other orbs to the objects (like the crystals around me). The information was incomprehensible to our human minds. The spiritual orb can process data like a computer. Imagine having a heads-up display that could project to you like a hundred windows with data at once from everything all around you and you could understand it all. That's kind of like what it I remember. Of course, I also remember accessing something like what you mentioned in the history book. That was crazy - you are absolutely spot on with that. It was like accessing millions of heads-up display windows at once with images of all kinds of things sliding past really fast.
I remember your entire sequence from the dark pit with ghostly surroundings to the rectangle of light, to the room with the light in the center and orbs wandering the perimeter of it. Was it like a metal walkway or something? I remember moving to a corner and looking up at a ceiling and then one of the orbs approached me and had me follow it. Then I recall walking up to those doors, being told to look down. It was like some kind of stone on the ground there. Moving through the doors into a large cavernous hall. Looking off to the sides and seeing large pillars on the sides of the entrance covered with weird living crystals.
I remember some kind of grassy area with pathways. Lines of orbs with different colored auras. I wandered off onto the grass and communicated with other orbs that I knew. I could see what they had looked like as humans somehow. There was some kind of communication like "good luck, I'll be seeing you again" or something.
I remember the falling through space in a line of orbs. Maybe it was like 2 lines next to each other or something? I think I remember seeing orbs next to me, not just in front and behind me.
There were definitely other light orb dreams, but my memories are currently too spotty to feel I can describe them.
I remember having a dream where I was some kind of light is like an angel a humanoid kind of form with wings Leaping up from a surface to glide up into a void..."
"Those were such weird dreams I never thought they were based on reality, until recently. Once again I must remind you that I am trying to recall incredibly distant memories and my recollection is not 100% and the details are corrupted. Afterall, I am being limited by my human restrictions."
Sketches/Drawings
Recently, he sent me 14 well-drawn sketches of the Demiurge and other figures from his dreams with descriptive labels but asked me not to share the drawings. The sketches included:
"demiurge -- closeup of something resembling the demiurge" -- "creepy close up of the brassy face, black beard, weird expression and flame eyes";
"demiurge going over contracts" -- "talking to me about some kind of agreement, and showing me a bunch of scrolls or something" and "controls/levers etc on the wall behind I think";
"demiurge pointing at star charts" -- "kind of looked like some old greek scholar type" and the "robe worn had some kind of pattern all over it... best I can muster up is the male symbol". He was "pointing at maps/charts/diagrams on a wall behind him" and "some kind of diagram that looked like Saturn and arrows";
"demiurge -- I remember many visions very similar-to something like this in appearance many without the binocular goggles" -- this sketch had no labels, but showed an image of the demiurge with goggles pointing to his right
"demiurge towering over a tabletop with a spinning compass" -- "big guy with dark spectacles or goggles just standing in the back looking down at me" ... "a spinning object that eventually opened up to look like a compass and then it fell"
"inside the chamber with the one that you die if you look at" -- "pillars"... "kind of looking off to my right side"... "weird crystals/gemstones talking -- actually saw little rays spray out when they communicated"
"orbs crystal rocks" -- "Moving through a room with orbs and long rock/crystal shards/obelisks. taking in a massive amount of information from everything in the room -- like a hundred windows in a pop-up display. It's hard to describe."
"a platform in front of a window to space" -- "dim lighting"... "controls/knobs/etc".."space"..."some kind of raised platform"..." seemed like there was no gravity as the cape kind of floated out"... "some kind of door/vent to go through (hide in?)...
"a strange naga thing on a stone platform above step" -- "multiple animals head that phase in and out with serpent body (only definitely remember a ram head)"
"a room inside the door from the pit" -- "room with bright light in the center after ascending up from the pit. the orb beings just kind of glide along I think, but they have kind of a sporadic pulsation to them" ... " energy/light orb"..." very bright light in the center"..." energy / light orb"..." walkway"
"demiurge -- looked like a child version with little spherical robots" -- "weird mechanic-type alien guy floating in zero gravity in a well-lit whitish curved spaceship room. Most of the body in some kind of clothing, even head. Wearing weird binocular goggles. Some robot orbs floating around. He was really close to me and it seemed like he was working on me or something. Something about him reminded me of the other 'demiurge' beings in other dreams."
"demiurge -- sneaking around the ship" -- "dim lighting"... the curved wall of controls/levers or something?"...(space)...some kind of hatch/vent opening above room"
"owl-man guide one on one" -- "blue/blue-green guy who states something to me, and he resembles an owl to me in form (much better-looking fellow than my drawing -- not scary)"...(white room)... (back space window)"
"demiurge --- sepia-vision --- turning towards me and approaching" -- "the whole thing is like viewing sepia shades or like night vision or something.... "stones/steps/platform...."flame/energy eyes"... miter hat? ceremonial looking robe"
Is the Demiurge mentioned in the book of Revelations?
The interviewee's description of the Demiurge is eerily close to this description in Revelation 1:12:
13 "And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp two-edged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength."
Creative Play of the Demiurges?
Stanislov Grof is a researcher into psychedelics and hallucinogens and has analyzed 4000-6000 experiences. In his 1998 book "The Cosmic Game: Explorations of the Frontiers of Human Consciousness" he related the account of an experiencer who experienced being one of four demiurgic powers:
"Creative Play of the Demiurges
The insights into the nature and dynamics of the cosmic game do not have to emerge on the level of the supreme creative principle. Gail, a minister who participated in our training program for professionals at the Maryland Psychiatric Research Center, had in her psychedelic session an interesting sequence that portrayed cosmogony as a competitive creative game of four demiurgic suprahuman entities. Although her experience is very unusual, since it involves several demiurgic beings rather than one creative principle, I will include it here. It illustrates with exceptional clarity many of the issues related to the problem of the incarnation of spiritual beings and the “taboo against knowing who you are.” Here is the corresponding excerpt from her session:
I found myself in a dimension that seemed to lie beyond space and time as we know it. What comes to my mind when I think about it now is the concept of hyperspace used by modern physicists. However, such a technical term would not describe the profound feeling of sacredness, the awesome sense of numinosity associated with my experience. I realized that I was a suprahuman being of immense proportions, possibly one that transcended all limitations, or one that existed before any limitations were known. I did not have any form, being just pure consciousness with superb intelligence suspended in Absolute Space. Although there was no source of light there, I cannot say I was in complete darkness.
I shared this space with three other beings. Although they were purely abstract and amorphous like myself, I could clearly feel their separate presence and communicate with them in a complex telepathic fashion. We amused each other by various brilliant intellectual games; fireworks of extraordinary ideas were being thrown back and forth. The complexity, intricacy, and level of imagination involved in these games by far surpassed anything known among humans. It was all pure entertainment, l’art pour l’art since, in the form we were, none of it had any practical implications.
I have to think in this context about whales who float in the ocean with their enormous brains and are endowed with an intelligence that matches or surpasses ours. Since nature does not create and maintain organs and functions that are not being used, the mental activity of the cetaceans has to be comparable to that of humans. Yet. because of their anatomy, they have the only minimal capacity to give any tangible physical expression to what is going on in their minds. I once read a speculation of a researcher who suggested that the whales may be spending most of their time entertaining each other using their amazing voices that carry in the ocean over distances of hundreds of miles. Do they tell each other stories and communicate artistic creations? Do they have philosophical dialogues or play sophisticated games? Or are they like Indian or Tibetan yogis who in their deep meditations, in the solitude of their caves and cells, experience connection with the entire history of the cosmos and other realities?
After this introduction, describing the general ambiance and context of her experience and reflecting on the disembodied existence as a purely spiritual being, Gail focused on the part of her session that has immediate relevance for our discussion about the “taboo against knowing who we are.” One of the beings came up with an intriguing idea. It suggested that it would be possible to create a game involving a reality with many different creatures of various sizes and forms. They would appear to be dense and solid and exist in a world filled with objects of different shapes, textures, and consistencies. The beings would come into existence, evolve, have complex interactions and adventures with each other, and then cease to exist. There would be groups of creatures of various orders, each existing in two forms—male and female—that would complement each other and participate in reproduction.
This reality would be bound by distinct space and time coordinates. Time would show a mandatory flow from the past through the present to the future and later events would appear to be caused by the preceding ones. There would be vast historical periods, each different from the others. One would have to travel to get from one place to another and there would be many different ways to do it. A variety of rigid limitations, rules, and laws would govern all the events in this world, as it is with all the games. Entering this reality and assuming different roles in it would provide exquisite entertainment of a very unique type.
The three spiritual beings were intrigued, but incredulous, and expressed serious doubts about the suggested project. As exciting as it sounded, it seemed unlikely that it could be implemented. How could an unlimited spiritual being existing in the world of all possibilities be made to believe that it is confined to a solid body of a strange shape, with a head, trunk, and extremities, and that it critically depends on the ingestion of other dead creatures and the presence of a gas called oxygen? How could it be convinced that it has a limited intellectual capacity and that its ability to perceive is constrained by the range of something like the sensory organs? It seemed too fantastic to be seriously considered!
In what follows, Gail describes how the demiurgic beings resolved the problem. A heated intellectual exchange ensued. The originator of this plan responded to all our objections, insisting that the project was perfectly feasible. He/she was convinced that sufficient complexity and intriguing nature of the script, consistent association of specific situations with compelling experiences, and careful covering of all the loopholes was all that was necessary. It would trap the participant into an intricate net of illusions and trick him/her into believing in the reality of the game. We were getting increasingly fascinated by all the possibilities and finally became convinced that this unusual project was viable. We agreed to enter the game of incarnation excited by the promise of extraordinary adventures in consciousness.
This experience has somehow resolved whatever concerns I have ever had regarding the matter of karma. It left me with a firm conviction that I am in essence a spiritual being and that the only way I could have possibly gotten involved in the cosmic drama was through a free decision. The choice to incarnate involves voluntary acceptance of a large number of limitations, rules, and laws, as it always does when we decide to play a game. From this perspective, it does not make sense to blame anybody for anything that happens in our life. The fact that, on a higher level, we have a free choice whether or not we enter the cosmic game creates a meta-framework that redefines everything that occurs within it."
Another near-death experiencer's account that I ran across on nderf.org strongly suggests that he met the Demiurge also just like the guest I interviewed.
This man, who goes by the name of Paul, wrote on nderf.org:
"I don't think this world is structured to know or care what the truth is. In fact, I believe that the truth is countered at every turn, and intentionally kept hidden by our base-level controllers and manipulators, who are the stewards of darkness. They wouldn't want us to have the knowledge that we hold claim to absolute freedom, which is accompanied by an enormous power, and true liberty. They would rather we looked down on ourselves as faulty, and defective, and in need of help and management by the 'enlightened ones'. And maybe we are all to willing to believe it.
This world is all about slavery and bondage, which begins in the spirit realm, where unaware humans aren't as savvy as our adversaries. In truth, as long as we strive to be kind, then we are perfectly imperfect, without the need of correction and management from our evil slave-masters with their 'perfecting of humans' "Illumination" scheme.
What you thought was your advocate, was your enemy, and a very cruel enemy at that. Moreover, the supreme being that I experienced and saw was nothing like what we're told.
God and your rulers are more powerful than you, so, do what you're told, for your own good. If you don't do what God or your rulers tell you, there will be consequences. If you rebel against God, or your rulers, you will be punished. God needs to correct you because history tells us that your kind is idiots and cause problems. Your rulers need to correct you because history tells us that your kind is idiots and cause problems. Believe in their religious story or you're evil. Believe in their patriotic story or you're evil.
The bottom line is, you are an absolute moron, born defective, and you are prone to incredible disaster unless you are tightly monitored, managed, and under the strictest of authority by someone who is smarter and more powerful than you. I guess we just ought to sit down and shut up and be thankful that we're not in jail, or in hell. God was-all-like “OOPS!” when your kind was created.
Religion is infiltration for nationalistic programming under the guise of independent benevolence. Moreover, religion is a mechanism for stirring and capturing adoration for forces of darkness, thereby empowering the same. It is the biggest scam going and allows our slave masters the ability to program entire continents of peoples. The “church” is the initial dove through which the rulers become the lion. This is spiritual captivity and bondage through mass deception, all in the name of love, and care. This type of deception is just dripping with glee-inducing invisible foes from the spirit realm."
People lap-up this confusing garbage because they are desperate for answers due to their incredibly confusing circumstances of being a human: a) how did we get here; b) why are we here; c) what happens to us when we die?
People are taught to fear God which causes people to live in fear. When people are in fear they are easier to control. This world is all about having power over other people which is the very essence of evil."
======== end of Paul's NDE report
This Ugarit description of Enlil is a very close match to the Demiurge being my interviewee talked to:
"But he became this in the last resort under the supervision, indeed by the connivance of El reigning from his distant abode beyond the
earth. From the standpoint of people on earth, looking around them in fear and trembling, the encounters between the negative and positive
forces in their environment were tense and awesome affairs, and Baal's victory was always in the balance and never certain. But
the people of Ugarit could also take comfort from their belief that beyond the squabbling powers that impinged so insistently on their
everyday lives stood a remoter but by no means disinterested figure, the god El, who had fathered the gods, the nice and nasty both,
and had created the universe, contrary powers and all, who must therefore have planned it that way and built both good and evil into
its very fabric, and who could for that very reason be trusted to uphold its equilibrium. For all his mistakes, his choosing the wrong
side, his blustering, his pleading, his changes of mind, his putting up with impertinence from his underlings, his—if you will—lack of
power, he was the one ultimately in charge, whom the other gods had to visit for approval whenever they had an enterprise planned,
and whose was the final decision, which, however reluctantly, they had to accept. And perhaps most remarkably of all, he masterminded
the balance he sought, not by calling on openly superior force but by relying upon an engaging mixture of diplomacy and conciliation,
sharpness and persuasion. He arranged it so that usually good and life triumphed, but even evil and death were his 'darling' and 'beloved'
children (KTU 1.1 iv 20; 1.4 viii 23~24) and had, as it were, their rights too."
Charles Wharry (Darkbird18);
The Alien and UFO phenomena are both parts of the same Archons (Demiurge) Agenda because they've been here since the beginning of earth time. But they're in Inorganic being who was create first but with a different light, a light from the "Below" which mean they're not part of the light being who is "Human" but something else, they have no souls, or "Light Energy". But they're in control because they can control the human race through "Dreams" and mind control but they put their minds and thoughts into our dreams, which are dark and morbid; they also live off of Light energy from the Organic beings, which is the human race! Be aware of this and know that,"your minds aren't your Own!"
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